Last Week:Ahhh, I love the internet. There was some banter being had this past week as jovial barbs were being tossed about like Dan Marino and the '83 Dolphins. My man Omen did a good job and getting the mob riled up by shredding apart Follow The Leader, which I'm sure was more to see how well he could press everyones buttons than actually tearing down the duo's second album. And riled up the villagers he did, I think we even had a couple death threats mixed in. All violence aside, that's what I was kinda hoping to get when I started this crazy little series earlier this summer. Hip-Hop is open to debate. While we all agree that both albums are great albums, but you start asking opinions on great albums and asking which is better, there is bound to be some disagreements and colorful opinions being had. It's a great thing. I feel like the ring leader. Or our own version of Fight Club or something.
The final numbers aren't done yet. I'm starting this post earlier than usual on a Sunday since I have to be in at work two hours early for "overtime" Monday morning, so I don't plan on my usual working on this post until Midnight on Sunday night. At 5pm MST, a 113 votes are in, with Paid In Full beating out Follow The Leader 63-45 with five votes going to "other".
This Week:
We are back on the west coast as we set forth into another "This or That" in the tournament format. For the next three weeks, we'll be examining a somewhat forgotten west coast legend in Ice-T. Obviously Ice-T gets his props, but in the grand scheme of things, I don't hear his name in the same level as the Ruthless & Death Row camps when talk of west coast legends are concerned. Which is a shame, because Ice was a predecessor for all west coast gangster music. He was the one everyone should thank for kicking the west coast music scene off with a bang. When I first mapped out artists and albums I wanted to cover for "This or That", Ice-T was on my short list, but I couldn't decide which of his first four albums should be included. The truth is, I've claimed all of his first four releases as my favorite Ice-T album at one time or another. Rhyme Pays is obviously a west coast classic that is truly the starting point for the west coast lifestyle to be put on wax. Ice's second album, "Power" contains several hit songs for the L.A. Player, and got a lot of love on "Yo! MTV Raps" back in the day. His third album, The Iceberg/Freedom of Speech...would be an album that I loved at the time and one that I considered my favorite Ice-T album for a considerable amount of time. His fourth album, O.G.Original Gangster was probably his most diverse and well rounded album. I had good reasons for all four albums to be in a match up, so in the end I said, "Why not include all four and let the people decide." Okay, I didn't actually say that, but I thought. Therefore, the next three weeks, we'll be talking about Ice-T and his political charged and gangster/pimp influenced music. I kind of seeded the pairings, with Power being the album I think will win, followed by O.G., then Rhyme Pays, with Iceberg bringing up the rear. This week, we'll pit Power and Iceberg against each other as we celebrate the mans catalog....
Power Vs. The Iceberg/Freedom Of Speech...Just Watch What You Say
Power

Positives
- Power might just be Ice-T's most focused album. Coming in with 10 solid tracks (minus the intro and outro and the spoken word type song "Soul On Ice"), every track can stand on it's own. There is no fast forwarding material to be found on the album. This tape will forever been retired in my rap tapes as all the lettering was erased from the tape. I had to put a white out mark on Side A to be sure which side was which.
- Tracks like "Drama" highlight why Ice was one of the best story tellers in the game not named Slick Rick. Sure, his story telling skills are showcased on everyone of his albums, but I always thought the story telling joints found on Power were some of his best:
Cruisin' for a bruisin', I'm talkin' no crap
Pipe bomb in my trunk, got a nine in my lap
I'm layin' for a sprayin', tonight there's no playin'
My posse's most strapped, tonight the crew's weighin'
Dust is burnin', the steering wheel's turnin'
I'm out a week, I'm already earnin'
Suckers crossed, tonight it's their loss
Payback time, boy, life's the cost
Gauges out the window, one lay cross the roof
They all die if those suckers ain't bullet proof
I'm rollin' death tollin', of course the car's stolen
But I'm blind to what's wrong, all I want is what's golden
A fool in a fight, too dumb to know right
Fuckin' blue light-read'em their rights
Drama
You feel like you are riding shotgun with Ice as you roll through the night looking for the punk sucka ducks that took your boy's life. That was one of Ice's strengths, he put you right there with him.
- "High Rollers" and "I'm Your Pusher" are both classic singles from the Drama LP. The video for "High Rollers" was a favorite on "Yo! MTV Raps", which showed the high life being lived by Ice's character in the video. The ending shows the fast life catching up with Ice
The message found on "High Rollers" is one that still needs to be spoken on today. That was the beauty about Ice's music, he had the gangster tales, but he also had the other side of the story which wasn't covered by a lot of the other gangster rappers out there.
Then of course, you have the infamous "I'm Your Pusher", which employs an infectious Curtis Mayfield groove. As Ice once again tackles social ills in a somewhat humorous way, the listener is at the mercy of the groove as Ice plays a dealer slangin' rap tapes instead of drugs. Then of course, the infamous LL Cool J jab that started the LL/Ice T beef, which was good for some entertainment.
-As mentioned before, Ice used familiar breaks and grooves, which at the time added an extra familiarity and comfortable level to the album. You couldn't get away with this today, but back then, he would be one of the first to use a lot of the samples, which anyone who was into funk and soul would immediately recognize.
Negatives
-I've never been one to care about the length of an album, but others do. As mentioned, the album is really only 10 tracks long, which can lead people to bitch about.
-If you weren't into the west coast sound at the time, I doubt this album would do much for you. As we all know, heads from the east coast weren't always the most open to the west coast sounds in the day.
-The album hasn't aged well, with all the familiar samples dotting it's soundscape. A lot of these samples have been used ad nauseum since the album came out.
The Iceberg/Freedom Of Speech...Just Watch What You Say
Positives

-This was Ice's attack on a lot of social ills found in the society at the time, namely the 1st amendment attack that was going on at the time. During the late 80's, you had parent groups such as the PMRC, which was lead by Tipper Gore, challenging profanity and hip hop records in general. It was the time of Parental Advisory stickers on album, which was what we kids would look for in 1989 when this album dropped. The Iceberg contains one of the more entertaining intros found on a hip hop album, with "Shut Up, Be Happy". Jello Biafra of the punk group The Dead Kennedys, did an excellent job at setting the mood as plays the evil government, demanding people to be happy since Big Brother is doing everything for us. Then of course there is the jam I'd blast out my little Jetta back in the day, "Freedom Of Speech." I hated Tipper Gore and I didn't even really know who she was. Ice fights for the right to say what he wants, even though he was starting to get harassed by local governments at some of the shows he was starting to do. And remind you, this was before the Cop Killer incident. If Ice only knew what was laying in wait for him at that time.....
-The positivity found on "Lethal Weapon". Not many so-called "gangster" rappers promoted using your mind to overcome your problems and to use as your advantage. I've long been an advocate that gangster rap is entertainment, but if you really want to make a contribution to the problems of society, then offer a solution. Ice was always good about offering more than one side of the story and "Lethal Weapon" might be the best example of that:
-Ice covered all the bases on the release as he did a little something for everyone. There was the gangster tales once again with the track "Peel Their Caps Back", he had the sex rhymes on both "The Iceberg" and "Freedom of Speech". He covered the political vibe on the aforementioned songs. He had the positive vibes on the "Lethal Weapon" track, he had "The Hunted Child" that made you think of the consequences for being a gangster. It was well rounded.
-It has nothing to do with the music found on the LP, but I've always loved the album cover, it's one of my favorites of all-time.
-I was always a big fan of The Syndicate artists. A lot of them were nothing more than second class hack rhymers, but for some reason, I always was willing to listen to more of them. The posse cut "What Ya Wanna Do" had two verses from a lot of the Syndicate rhyme members, including my personal favorite, Nat the Cat. It won't go down as one of the greatest posse cuts of all-time, but it'll always be on my playlists. And hey, there is always the Everlast cameo that we can laugh at....
Negatives
-As I previously mentioned, for the longest time The Iceberg was my favorite Ice T album. While I think it contains some dope tracks, I don't think it's best measures up with those found on some of his other cuts. "Lethal Weapon" is the closest jam to measure up with the "6 In The Mornings", the "New Jack Hustlers", and the "High Rollers" that Ice had in his catalogs.
-The diversity gives the album a slightly "jumbled feeling", I know that is some peoples knock on the album, which is understandable.
-In a time that saw sounds changing almost monthly, Ice stayed with his formula, which obviously worked for him and his fans, but with all of his first three albums sounding basically alike production wise, some people tend to knock that.
The Final VerdictAs I mentioned at the start of this wacked out thing. I chose all four albums to cover because it was that difficult for me to pick a clear cut winner. That goes with these two albums as well. I honestly expect Power to come out of this whole thing as the winner, but I've been surprised before (the De La tournament was full of them, although my preconceived winners still won out). When it all comes down to it, Ice-T's first four albums are all worthy enough to be mentioned with any hip hop album in the history of the genre, but Ice didn't really change it up until O.G., which we'll cover next week.
With all that being said, I still say that Power is Ice's most focused piece of work, even if it does only come in at ten true songs. I personally would rather have 10 dope songs than an album with 10 out of 18 dope songs. Power contains classic tracks, but even the ones that didn't make it out there as singles are still top quality for sure. It's truly one of those classic albums that should be mentioned up there with everything else that dropped in 1988.
As much as I like The Iceberg, when it comes down to it, it's really only an extension of Power, but with a little more variety of sorts, which does make the albums cohesiveness waiver a little bit. Ice doesn't change it up enough to make me come out and say it's a better album over Power, when essentially, it's the same album. Nothing wrong with that, but have to go with the original in this case.
Winner: Power











13 comments:
yo man i dig these reviews of albums i learn a thing or two thx
I still listen to OG regularly but Freedom of Speech would be my second favorite. Hunted Child still gets stuck in my head whenever I hear it (BANG! nine automatic) and you forgot to mention that it's got the first Body Count song on it as well (The Girl Tried to Kill Me).
In this case I'm rolling with "Power" but the greatest album of Ice T's entire career was "OG (Original Gangster)", hands down. That album was fuckin' incredible in every way imaginable.
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POWER is a Classic..not a West Coast classic..a Classic!
I'm not arguing with Dart...OG was incredibly diverse, hard hittin album and might be my favorite except for one thing...it was POWER that made ICE T a Legend!! PEACE.
I'll go with the consensus and say OG was his best, BUT that is not the question. I'll take Iceberg in this matchup...any album that references having sex on a ski lift is aight with me. Good stuff brah. Cheers.
I always thought that Ice-T never got enuff propps as a west coast legend , to me he's above Cube Dre and the rest... I agree bout OG that album is sick but for this match-up u have to go with "Power" and yeah "Drama" is pure dopeness...
I have to go with "Power" over "Iceberg" on this one. Being a definite classic, "Power" is (with the help of Yo MTv Raps) is what pushed Ice to Rap star status. "Iceberg" was dope in it's own right ("What's more powerful a brain or a 12 Guage...") and as with each of his first four released give a very real perspective of street life mixed with social consciousness, hustler mentality and humor. Ice gave up the real and his stories didn't feel too "made up"...he didn't hit us with completely senseless gargon (as many of today rappers do). Can't make up my mind on "Power" < or > than "O.G." so I can't wait for that one! Thanks for this forum Trav.
Power as well for me. I think also that after O.G he got into the whole "more of the same" problem and that has tainted peoples opinions of his contribution to the westcoast scene.
Him and P.E came down here to Oz for the Apocalypse tour( I am too old ) and his onstage prescence was really good. You could tell he meant what he was saying and was a real showman as well.
Power of course because of the knowledge and storytelling Ice puts into it. But Ice's best album is OG by far. I remember the VHS video that had a video for every track off that album. I still bump that shit today. Great album.
I want to see who would win between Death certificate or OG. Could be interesting.
i remember buying the vhs that came out with O.G - he did a video for each track. they all looked pretty much the same from what i can recall. anyway that was my favourite followed by iceberg.
Power is the winner no doubt. I've been DJing in Miami since the 80's I can tell you that Power got a lot more play down here. I always thought Iceberg was cool because of the cover art and the fact that Ice was trying new things, like Jello Biafra on the intro and "The Girl Tried To Kill Me" Body Count. At the time I was getting into the hardcore scene down here and thought that it was cool Ice T was feeling the scene too. Still (Power > Iceberg)
nah man iceberg
Ice-T is by far (and always will be) my favorite rapper of all time. I love Iceberg and OG, still got both of them memorized, if I have to pick one its OG. Nat The Cat was incredible and its a shame that he never got his own album. I think he would have done alot better than the second album by Donald-D. Rhyme Syndicate was a powerhouse and we have not seen anything close to it since then, except maybe for the new group La Coka Nostra, which features Everlast (who was in Rhyme Syndicate also). I guess he still got the knack.
Pz,
Wojo
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