Hip hop was initially based on competition. It was about who could rock the party the livest, whether it be rival DJ's, rival breakers and later, rival MC's. You had to go for yours. If you didn't, you were going to get dissed. In this day in age, people don't understand it. Not the artists and not the fans. Artists are too thin skinned and forgot about settling beef on the mic and go for the guns or fists (which I'm sure happened in the old days as well, but it's different now, more spotlight) and the fans either go nuts over it and don't understand the history behind the batttle or they bitch because they still do it.
I hope beef never goes away. There is nothing I love more than a good dis song. With that in mind, I tried to compile a few of the more.....what's the word for it....not obscure (that word has been played out too much lately), but less known. I tried to stay away from the more popular dis songs, although I couldn't pass up "Fuck Compton", just because its so hilarious, even if it isn't meant to be. I also stayed away from the subliminal shit, I wanted cards being pulled and names being dropped. I wish I had more time to get into some of the stories behind some of these songs, but it's already pushing 1 a.m. and I need to get my ass to bed. Any questions, feel free to ask, or discuss..that's what that comment link is for......and remember, love thy neighbor...unless he is talking shit then settle it like men.
WYDU Classics April 08: I Must Dis You
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=O8FQQY1E
1. MC Poet & Noel Rockwell - All Hell's Breakin' Loose
Dissing T-La Rock, Just Ice, Krs, Kool Moe Dee, LL, among a host of others. Good way to start off the collection.
2. Cool C - Juice Crew Dis (1987)
Dissing the Juice Crew, mainly MC Shan and Marley.
3. Steady B - I Took Your Radio (1985)
Dissing LL Cool J.
4. Butchy B - Beatin' Down Krs ('87, '88?)
Rather self explanatory
5. Incredible Two - Moe Dee Get Mad (1988)
Going at Moe Dee
6. LL Cool J - Blame It On Me (Jack Ripper Demo) (1989)
The original version of Jack The Ripper...same beat, different lyrics and hook
7. MC Poet & Noel Rockwell - Taking U Out (1989)
Dissing Krs One and dropping some scathing lines aimed at Ms. Melodie
8. Raheem - Death In The Arena (1992)
Just about everyone....
9. MC Lyte - 10% Dis
dissing Antoinette
10. Roxanne Shante - Big Mama
going at just about every female rapper out at that time
11. Choice - Payback
NWA, Geto Boys, Too Short and some others
12. Lord Finesse - Live at The Rocksteady Anniversary Dissing Lords Of The Underground
The Original Funky Man goes at LOTUG as he pulls no punches
13. Tim Dog - Fuck Compton
Going at Compton MC's. I just laugh when I heard this, like the first time I heard it. I didn't think he was serious at first.
14. Tweedy Bird Loc - Fuck The South Bronx
Tweed's answer to Tim Dog
15. DJ Quik w/ 2nd II None and some other dude - Can't Fuck Wit A N---a
Dissing Everlast from House of Pain
16. MC Eiht - Def Wish III
These were always great, going at DJ Quik
17. DJ Quik - Dollaz & Sense
The end all for the battle between Quik and Eiht
18. Ras Kass - Kiss Of Death (Original Version)
Ras not too happy at Alchemist for selling a beat from out underneath him to Jadakiss, so they both catch some heat.
19 Black Sheep - H.A.A.
"Here's Another Asshole", I know I just posted this not too long ago, but I die laughing hearing Black Sheep rip Hammer a new one.
20. Jeru The Damaja - Friend Or Foe
Jeru a little pissed at the Gang Starr Foundation
21. Company Flow - Linda Tripp
Some might say this is a little too nerdy, but one of my all-time favorite disses. You have NO comeback when some records you kissing their ass in a phone conversation. Sole of Anticon if you don't know is the beneficiary of the verbal ass kicking.
22. Dilated Peoples - Search 4 Bobby Fisher
Dilated jumps into the fray after Eminem dissed them on the first Everlast dis song.
13 comments:
I understand most of these beefs, but i never understood the jeru vs. premier and guru beef?
Any input on that?
Thanks
Nice, I've been looking for some of these. Thanks!
Great post Trav! This takes things back to what we loved about Hip Hop & Rap before it became so comercial....very good concept here.
@Brndonian 'the talking head....from my understanding (no factual data) Jeru's tension stems from a 'situation' that took place between Premier and his sister. I think this was around the time that they stoped working together again (and Jeru stoped being very relevant). Don't quoat me, but this is a story that been running around.....
nice...always love some good beef records. Stupidest beef ever: Shaq versus Mad Skillz. Also, who is KRS going at in "We In There" when he is referring to "weightlifting f**got"? Never could figure that one.
thanks for all your hard work, i hope there are more editions of this. fascinating as hell. thank you!!
Good collection of diss tracks, you probably left out Shan's Beatbiter because it's fairly popular right?
Then again I know you don't care much for Shan(which is a shame!)..
Anyway a lot of these tracks smack of bored bitter fux venting(Butchy B?? OMG), which I guess is as good a reason as any to come out with a diss track.
But I think they're mostly uninspired, except perhaps for Black Sheep's trakc, my fav is still by far Beatbiter, even though it didn't really do anything.
Btw here's Quik dissing Eiht(who I think was standing at the front of the stage looking up at him during the perf) at the Source awards back in '96.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4VZRuxbraq4
nice post. . .I can smell a pt.2 brewing
@Brandon - Johnny has it covered, that was the same thing I heard. I'm sure there is more to it, but none of them are talking. Guru takes a shot at Guru on a track about "taking out weak rappers rapping Primo breaks"...or something to that effect
@Time - glad to help
@Johnny - amen to that....and I heard the same thing
@Commish - I'm not sure on "We In There"...of course "Build & Destroy" was about X Clan, but I never figured out that line.
@ Anon 1 - Glad others appreciate the art of good old fashioned hip hop beef...
@Benovite - If I was to hand out an award for best commenter, you'd win hands down....hahaha. Actually I was being lazy with the "Beat Biter", I didn't have it ripped to my hard drive and didn't feel like trying to find it in my collection and ripping it. I'll agree, most of them aren't "quality" songs, I enjoy them more for the novelty than anything else. Good looking on the link.
@ Anon 2 - actually I hadn't planned on it...but I might change that after this.
Thanks for the responses..
Nice post. I hadn't heard the Lord Finesse/LOTUG dis, any info on their beef?
Good post WYDU!! The only thing that is probably missing from the list is Common's diss track to Ice Cube, The B**** In You remix produced Pete Rock.
lol, thanks Travis. ;)
No problem, Beatbiter is one of my all-time favorite hip hop tracks so I can help out here:
Extended version:
http://www.mediafire.com/?0ndgrf0fjdd
Radio version:
http://www.mediafire.com/?0mmn2mwmzgg
Dub:
http://www.mediafire.com/?4owdbxt1gjn
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I've been looking for "I'm Taking You Out" for years. I'm guessing the beef between JJ Fad and Roxanne Shante was too well known but what about the beef JJ Fad had with D.L.R.? Then there's the Awesome Dre dis to Kool Moe Dee (I don't think he responded) "I Don't Like You". An obvious dis and response was the Geto Boys' "I'm Not a Gentleman" and Latifah's "U.N.I.T.Y." but I guess they weren't obscure enough. I have the album but I'm glad you shared "Fuck Compton" with everyone. I think that's where the East v.s West thing really started to heat up. Lastly, if you are planning a Part 2, I'd like to nominate Ultra's "Pluckin' Cards", KRS' "I'm Still #1" (which was sort of like the response to I'm Taking You Out), and another track that has eluded me for years, Shan's "Juice Crew Law" (not the album version, the version where Marley cuts during the majority of the song).
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